I'm just experimenting. I hate the word "blog" and am fascinated with how the net seems to nurture *everyone's* vanity.
dedicated to Evil Stormbringer and Wheeloffire
Published on January 17, 2007 By Philocthetes In Off-Topic
Evil did me right by starting his own thread on the "what's a thief" question. But a few posts later in that Grammar nazi sprawl thread, QuietlyObserving says "If we are to be a society founded on the Rule of Law, it would be prudent to maintain a healthy respect for language and the meaning of words, lest we slip into a dictatorship of unelected Judges."

This gives me a painfully beautiful opportunity to start a sister thread to Evil's, and ask you all to sink your fangs, fingers, etc., into the basic question "How does a law rule without a human to interpret and/or execute it?"

That's my latest hasty attempt at a longstanding interest in the gov't-of-law-and-not-men notion that's very popular here in the US. I've also known a few linguists and flirted with other philosphies enough to be taken aback by anyone who has too much certainty about the meaning of a particular word or phrase.

Unless you're a minor with parents who don't want you seeing PG-13 movies (I know we have some sharp youth out there, just want to respect your folks), I suggest finding and playing fword.wav before you finish a reply here.
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on Jan 23, 2007
adam was like a child

you don't blame a 3,4,5,6,or 7 year old for doing something evil

you blame the parents

also people like my great aunt do not know right from wrong
on Jan 23, 2007
adam was like a child


before the fall? compared to who?

on Jan 23, 2007
it takes people 8 years to learn the rules to be human
it takes 12 to 14 years to be able to produce children
it takes 17+ years to learn how to function in the modern world at least in the usa
on Jan 23, 2007
yes before the fall

compared to the normal child who has god teaching him how to be human
on Jan 23, 2007
danielost can i ask you, do you know what the effects of the tree of knowledge were? i mean the direct effects excluding the resulting consequences?
on Jan 23, 2007
gaining the knowledge of good and evil
on Jan 23, 2007
Actually it takes a child a mere three years to truely learn the world around them. And i child is socially mature at the age of seven. However, they are no emotionally mature untill at least the twenties.

As for what i meant by my statement. I was refering to the differance of morals based on where you are in the world. Plus, you are using the concience as if everyone has the same one, but in truth it isnt so.

Ill be back tomorow with even more psychological jargon, so be ready
on Jan 23, 2007
goodnight
on Jan 23, 2007
gaining the knowledge of good and evil



Correct, so therefore it is impossible to compare Adam to a child since children have the knowledge of good and evil even if they havn't learnt to understood such emotion they still feel it's effects.
on Jan 24, 2007
ok
on Jan 24, 2007
Correct, so therefore it is impossible to compare Adam to a child since children have the knowledge of good and evil even if they havn't learnt to understood such emotion they still feel it's effects.



How is the knowledge of good and evil an emotion?

An emotion is a state of feeling.

Knowledge is the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association.

Children do not have any knowledge of good or evil unless and until they are taught.
They do, however, experience emotions.

So Adam went from understanding good and evil as an emotional state, to one of knowing good and evil with the familiarity gained through experience.

He went from an emotional feeling of trepidation because of the Lords command, to the sure knowledge that he had irrevocably chosen to disobey that command.

It is the same with any of us. And it is not in our genes, it is in our very spirit.
We have to test it, play with it, get burned by it and maybe killed by it.
Because something in our spirit tells us that it is important to understand everything at more than face value.
And there can be no understanding without knowledge, just as there can be no wisdom without understanding.
on Jan 24, 2007
true
on Jan 24, 2007
why is that moosetek

Concerning if we are our own judge?

I'll let the words of Jesus speak for me:

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


on Jan 24, 2007
well that proves my point about christ and god being two different people

and that christ isn't the judge

and i believe that god will decide if your judgement of yourself is right so it that way yes god will be our judge
on Jan 24, 2007
Christ and God - as in Son and Father - being two distinct beings - yes.
God is Spirit, Christ is also physical.
But, they are both still the same God.

We judge ourselves, by being true to what we believe (and in choosing what we believe). But in the end, it is God that judges if we are right in what we choose to believe.

And in the end, it is what (and who) we choose to believe and follow that determines our ultimate fate - that being eternal life, or eternal death.
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