Unless you can do it using some URL reworking, not all the Elemental forums are visible there.

Or it could be that the Sins forum is bright white on black, and the GalCiv2 forums are also bright white on black. The Elemental forums were dark grey on black, followed by lighter grey on black.

Or to summarize: they're not the same color scheme and don't cause the same amount of eye strain. When I played Sins I was pretty active on that forum and never had the problem that I had last night and this morning here with eye strain and headaches.

This seems really hard for a couple of people to accept, but yes some of us found this scheme flat out painful. The other two don't have that problem because of the brighter text.

The people complaining are Elemental forum regulars, so I don't see your point.

If I spend the first half of this post swearing at you, I don't get a pass for it because the second half is on topic.

You opened with a direct attack on the on-topic part of the thread, then later complained about lack of maturity. Sorry, but that doesn't fly.

On the colours of the new model... Meh. They match but they just seem to be more of... dirty, unclean, old. Surely it's intended and, hey, I'd have all the posts be like the Quotes.

* no way in hell I'm using green text in red background or similar. Even I have limits.

The text here as always looked black to me. It doesn't look grey, which is why I didn't get what people were saying about grey text. I just figured they were using another browser than I was.

See, I wasn't attacking the on topic part of the topic. I was attacking the fact that I thought there were More Important things to be thinking about, like Basic Forum Functionality, which should have been addressed long before a color issue. A lot of the people posting, like myself, couldn't post a new thread At All because of the logo issue which Bara has now dealt with.

Indeed Annatar I did agree with you on the topic in another thread. But notice in my initial replies I was attacking the issue of parts of the forum not working, I wasn't attacking my fellow posters Or calling Anyone names. First I was attacking a issue (logo blocking things) and I don't see how that has any relevance on maturity level. No where in any replies do I call anyone names or do I imply that people who didn't like certain color schemes are less or more mature than others. I brought up the fact that I thought we could all be mature about this and Not call people names or down on them for liking or not liking various color schemes. THEN...you called me an ass

See what I'm getting at now, brother? I'm sorry if I came off the wrong way, I wasn't trying to attack the color issue at all, I was attacking what I considered a more important issue being over-looked. Most of my initial posts in this topic were rather "light hearted" and it was pretty obvious I was joking. The first "serious" reply to this topic was my reply where I said there were more important things that needed to be dealt with IMO.

I'm sorry that you and Tridus both seem to have taken what I said out of context. I do indeed know that sometimes the way I word my posts comes off as passive aggressive, but sometimes that's the best way to get people's attention on important issues. Over-all though I was trying to set a tone that all of us could be mature about the issue. I do apologize for calling you immature. That was immature of ME, but I also don't take too kindly to being called an ass for trying to keep everyone on a semi-decent level which is what I was mainly trying to do in my first serious reply. That and I wanted that logo fixed Asap as it was keeping me from updating my stickied post in the Elemental Ideas section.

Bara fixed all that so it's a rather moot point anyway. (Go Bara     )

I happen to think your little pic there with that layout looks particularly BAD ASS!!! That's awesome. I think it would be an improvement if we had a color scheme like that here. Then again I'm into the whole dark and evil thing...so maybe that's just me

Some guy comes on a says clearly that the forum is 'crap', and you pipe up and complain about my attitude....... and 'I'm' the TROLL! 

As far as I'm concerned people are overreacting to what is essentially 'Change', pure and simple. I personally think the forum has taken a turn for the better. The design and graphical touches are perfect, and in keeping with the game and styled artwork. I see Tridus, you are on some holy crusade in singling out people for 'correction', isn't it about time you stayed ON-TOPIC and moved on?

The New look forum is here to stay (official) deal with it. And Great Job Stardock!

By using a bunch of all caps, telling Bara to "fix the damn thing", and attempt to belittle other people's issues with color scheme?

If you'd actually read the thread, most of the complaints weren't about "personal taste" in colors, it was about the physical side effects of eye strain and reading dark on dark, which you plainly labeled irrelevant.

I don't really think Tridus and I took anything out of context, it's all in there.

No.

I'm reacting to something as simple as : before I didn't had headaches, now I have. But you may be right, maybe my headache is overreacting Maybe I should just stop coming here.

That's crap and you know it Annatar. I DIDN'T Get Any Eye Strain nor did I "belittle" Anyone. in Fact I said I Wouldn't Belittle Anyone. This baby crap color makes me sick. It's all opinion. People with Bad Eyes get eye strain. I have perfect 20/20 vision and I get eye strain from sitting in front of a monitor all day.

So yeah, I'm guilty of using caps and being vocal because part of the forums were broke, Excuse the f'k out of me for thinking basic functionality was more important than a color change..damn. I also pointed out I thought it was immature that people we're calling each other names over something as stupid as who likes what color best, big deal, next time I won't bother.

When it comes to Bara, I wasn't attacking Him in any way. I also didn't (and still don't know) that Bara is the Only Employee working on this. Whether it's one guy fixing a problem or 20 guys fixing a problem, a problem is a problem, period. I think Bara has done a Great Job taking care of things and putting up with everyone's shit in the matter.

As for the new layout and design, I Love It. I completely agree with what Anomander says right here (minus the sentence at Tridus) :

I tried to keep things on a decent level because I saw other replies in this topic calling people who liked certain colors immature or young and THAT is what I Reacted too. Like I said above though, next time I won't bother as obviously it's more trouble than it's worth.

Edit: This reply here it the First Time I even mention "eye strain". Up until this post it was about a purely cosmetic color change for me. (that and the logo issue which Bara already fixed)

Count me among the few that like the change.

I like it, though black text on a white background is also cool. We should be able to select skins.

I like the white text on grey (current quote box look). How about we think about making that the basic background color. It's not black or dark which shouldn't cause eye strain for some people, and it doesn't look like baby crap and make me not want to even look at the forums (which is a big plus).

Overall I like the change, but I'm not a fan of the yellowish text on the brown/greenish-yellowish-darkish background. I'd prefer plain white text (like in the quote boxes).

Your choice my friend...

But I would suggest you stick with it and think about your monitor, room lighting and your screen's brightness and contrast!

These people who are experiencing headaches should perhaps see a Opthamologist first, before venting spleen on these forums.

Wow, I suppose someone as involved in past threadjackings as I've been deserved to see something like this spamarama. Really, all I wanted to do was speak up for 'accessibility' for folks who really like reading wildly verbose posts around here and don't have the eyesight of the Man of Steel, or even the eyesight we had as teenagers.

On the art side of it, I'll admit, though, that I thought the original design was way more 'cool' than what we have now. That's because my idea of 'cool' includes a significant affection for simplicity, 'retro' stuff in general, and people who remember what the really, really classy blank hex paper looked like back around 1980.

Thanks a bunch, Tridus. That will help immensely for reading.

Not only is the site now fugly, the white text box against a dark background gives me a f***ing headache