I'm just experimenting. I hate the word "blog" and am fascinated with how the net seems to nurture *everyone's* vanity.
dedicated to Evil Stormbringer and Wheeloffire
Published on January 17, 2007 By Philocthetes In Off-Topic
Evil did me right by starting his own thread on the "what's a thief" question. But a few posts later in that Grammar nazi sprawl thread, QuietlyObserving says "If we are to be a society founded on the Rule of Law, it would be prudent to maintain a healthy respect for language and the meaning of words, lest we slip into a dictatorship of unelected Judges."

This gives me a painfully beautiful opportunity to start a sister thread to Evil's, and ask you all to sink your fangs, fingers, etc., into the basic question "How does a law rule without a human to interpret and/or execute it?"

That's my latest hasty attempt at a longstanding interest in the gov't-of-law-and-not-men notion that's very popular here in the US. I've also known a few linguists and flirted with other philosphies enough to be taken aback by anyone who has too much certainty about the meaning of a particular word or phrase.

Unless you're a minor with parents who don't want you seeing PG-13 movies (I know we have some sharp youth out there, just want to respect your folks), I suggest finding and playing fword.wav before you finish a reply here.
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on Jan 25, 2007
then explain mother elephants putting their own lives in jeppoerdy to comfort a dieing baby

or a mother elephant that is willing to break a tusk trying to left a dead baby off the ground and on its feet

or elephants carrying away bones of dead elephants

or a whole herd of elephants saying goodbye to a dead elephant. one at a time they will walk up to the dead and stand for minute and then leave

all of that sounds like compansion, love, devotion non of those are instincts
on Jan 25, 2007
Now I don't think that science has actually studied the animal kingdom with regards to sex and if the animals derive pleasure from the act


Silly Evil, the subject's so old for "science" that the new queer cable channel is running a documentary about "homosexuality" among animal, not to mention that the LOGO show is mostly old news for many of us amateurs who try to follow animal behavior research.

Bonobo chimps would be in charge of all our sex clubs if they had language and money skills. Also, the plural marriage crowd (the "roots" Mormons and Muslims et al), not to mention the lads who're worried about being cuckolded, might be able to learn something from birds. I believe their folk have been dealing with the core reproductive issues longer than our folks have.
on Jan 25, 2007
plural marriage is outlined in the old testiment a long time before mormans or muslims showed up


also i eye witnessed a mallard male rape a mallard female
on Jan 25, 2007
she and her mate tried to get rid of the other male
on Jan 25, 2007
@ the elephant refrance: That is again instinct. Unlike us humans most animals have a smaller frontal lobe, that means that they are scientifically incapable of having complex thoughts or emotions. The fact that it is trying to save its baby is very instictual actually, its trying to make sure its race suceeds. Now i shouldnt say trying, cause actual it cant really resist its insticts. Neither can we, but thanks to our frontaol lobe, and the Medula Oblengata(sp?) we are able to factor in reason and find a more constructive way to channel instinct.

@the other refrence: Thats just defense of property, the two of them were probably competing over that particular female. Animals would not relise the differance between conventional and forced sexual interactions.

Just to set the matter straight, i believe that animals do develope a personality if in human care. Otherwise they will remain instinctual without conditioning.
on Jan 25, 2007
and the elephants that built a ramp to save a baby whle the herd was building the ramp three of them held the babies head above water

and then you have killers and dolphins that rescue drowning humans
on Jan 25, 2007
Dolphins are diffrent, plus these arent emotions, thats just common intelligence, i never said they didnt have that
on Jan 25, 2007
plural marriage is outlined in the old testiment a long time before mormans or muslims showed up


Hence my use of "roots." Several years ago, before the phrase 'gay marriage' was common in newspapers, I and some friends made sloppy jokes about queer folks and traditional ("sons of Abraham" et al) polygamists being strange bedfellows. Later on, folks like former US Senator Rick Santorum started making similar claims in public, apparently not as jokes.

Recently, I finished watching the first season of the HBO show Big Love on DVD. I have no "church people" in my daily life, and I'm pretty sure I'll be OK keeping things that way. But that "polygamist" show uses prayer scenes almost like other shows use sex or violence. As a queer man and semi-professional student of politics, I must say I'm starting to hope "my people" have some hope of civil relations with the "church people."
on Jan 25, 2007
sorry i misread the roots thing i thought you were saying that mormans and muslims were the roots


on Jan 26, 2007
i thought you were saying that mormans and muslims were the roots


I should confess that I was being snarky about all the Big Book religions.

I have serious problems with the notion of revealed truth, especially when it's mixed up with literature that was built by committees over centuries--*many* centuries, if you think of the Torah, Bible, and Quran as a three-volume series, which I do.
on Jan 26, 2007
again i remind you that the old testiment was written 5000 years ago

and agrees with science on the beginning of the universe and the solar system
on Jan 26, 2007
Impossible i would date the old testiment at maybe 3000 years. Theres no way it exsisted that long ago, since technically there was no civilizations in that era to produce relgions, or even culture. The first civilization was Egypt(fully fledged with a ruling body) and it had many gods, and was also the first to propose Monotheism(excuese the ism).
on Jan 26, 2007
There are some interesting parallels between Egyptian history and that in the Bible.
Same with the Chinese.

But the OT was not written all at the same time. The time frame for the different books span at least a thousand years. But none were written before the Flood, so the average would be closer to 3000 years ago than 5000 years ago.
on Jan 26, 2007
ok i will give you that 3000 years ago

but the big bang theory is less the 40 years old
on Jan 27, 2007
And it has more truth than the Bible in my opinion, i mean there is actually scientific recording and proofs, while the Bible has questionable oragin.

Age does not define worth. Age devines the resiliance against change.
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