What was more germane to the topic was the point that the international language is far more "American" than "English" and that it will be easily usurped once someone else more powerful (i.e. the Chinese) comes along.

US English is the imperial language du jour.

Actually,,it's more of an inter-lingua.
Latin was the common language for men of science for a very long time (still is when it comes to medicine),,just as French has been the language for the Corps Diplomatique.
The saying "Talk to commoners in the commoner way,,and with the schoolars in Latin" (freely translated from Swedish) still holds true.
English,,be it American,,Brittish or pidgin,,allows people to make themselves understood with those of an other native tongue and hence is a very convinent way to break the language barrier without having to learn all other languages that exist.
The main difference between now and the past is that the education level around the world is much higher,,and thus a much larger percentage of the population qualify as schoolars in this context.

awareness that the real Nazis targeted more than Jews for mass murder

I guess you wouldn't be too surprised to learn that I once knew the name of every general in service at division level or higher
WWII is something I've taken a genuine interest in,,and thus forgotten more about it than most people ever bother to learn in the first place lol

The about seven million others who died in the concentration camps (that includes detention-,,labour- and death camps btw) alone should take care of that part.

Just remember one thing about the deaths... they were mainly brought on because of the Allied bombing of CIVILIAN TARGETS, a.k.a. cities. Effectively cutting off supply routes can be more devastating that a nuke in certain cases.

And why is it grammar nazi instead of grammar police? [Ensign] [Human] [Neutral] [Normal]

I don't know what it's called elsewhere, but I believe it is called such in here because of the attitude the "non Nazi's" got with us "Nazi's". You guys don't always have as thick a hide as you ought to.

the attitude the "non Nazi's" got with us "Nazi's".

Stormbringer, if you're going to identify with the grammar enforcers, you probably shouldn't apostrophize a plural, such as "Nazis"...   

Am I reading you correctly in the post above that one where it sounds like you're blaming the death of seven-plus million people to allied bombing and supply interdiction? So are you saying that the poor, hardworking SS boys were really just trying desperately hard to get those trains full of bread and nutritious veggies to the camps, but since the tracks were damaged they could only deliver cannisters of Zyklon-B as a humanitarian gesture?   

Just remember one thing about the deaths... they were mainly brought on because of the Allied bombing of CIVILIAN TARGETS, a.k.a. cities.

Not at all. The terror bombings were an atrocity in their own right,,but are in no way related to the deaths of the people in the various camps.
One thing you have to admit about the National Socialists: when it comes to effective and thourough administration they were still are second to none.
According to their own records,,which unfortunatly were damage during the end of the war,,the total numbur of deaths (IN THE CAMPS ALONE mind you) lays somewhere between 12- and 14,5 million,,of which approx. 6M were jews.
The rest were sovjet PoWs,,homosexuals,,gipsies,,Jehova's Witnesses and other categories deemed "subhuman" by the race theories prevailing at the time.

Effectively cutting off supply routes can be more devastating that a nuke in certain cases.

Indeed they can,,which were shown over Normandie when all Axis movement had to be done at night since any daylight movement were inviting disaster.
However,,when it comes to strategic bombing (the Dambuster Sqd not included),,the ONLY bombings proven to have any effect whatsoever on the German war efforts was the destruction of Peenemünde where most of the German rocket development had been concentrated.

While the firestorm over Dresden certainly costed valuble lives and required resources to deal with,,it didn't result in even one less tank being produced.
Keep in mind that Germany did not shift to wartime production until late 1943,,which means that bombing the factories merely ment that the population got a less comfortable life as for instance soap factories were turned into manufacturing explosives.

soap factories were turned into manufacturing explosives

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Just remember one thing about the deaths... they were mainly brought on because of the Allied bombing of CIVILIAN TARGETS, a.k.a. cities. Effectively cutting off supply routes can be more devastating that a nuke in certain cases.

I assume you're talking about events like the firebombing of Dresden. AFAIK these causalities aren't even counted in the 6 (or 7) million concentration/labor camp deaths. Also the 20 million Soviet deaths due to the war are seldom mentioned. I've never even heard a figure for German war dead either combatant or non-combatant but I'm sure it's substantially into the millions as well. It's for all of these reasons that the term Nazi has such a negative connotation.

It's bad enough that we feel the need to argue about such triviality as spelling and grammar, can we please not drag the topic down any further into the muck by arguing about actual Nazi's. Thanks.   

combatant or non-combatant

Don't perpetuate Bush Administration propaganda/stupidity. Those terms never came into play until the US decided to celebrate their new fascist order by blowing up the World Trade Center.

There's soldiers and civilians. That's how the Geneva Convention defines people in a war zone.

There's soldiers and civilians

Whatever. In any case a whole bunch of people died on all sides. I'm sure there's enough blame to spread around to last many lifetimes.

My point was that I would much rather listen to folks complain about people's spelling than to a rehash of a 64 year old war that's arguably the most devastating experience in the history of humankind. Goes to show you that everything is relative.

arguably the most devastating experience in the history of humankind

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Two words: Britney Spears

Actually, try Hanson.

Utterly atrocious.

I'll frak Brittany as long as she can deal with my rules regarding The Prophecy.

Two words: Britney Spears

Two more words: anal bleaching (yes, it's real, look it up, I just did yesterday)

More seriously, Mumble's #54 post aims what I was thinking about with the subtitle for the thread. But I'm a bit of a scholar and I've quite enjoyed seeing people wrangle about the history a bit. Those who do not learn history... well, you know

There's soldiers and civilians. That's how the Geneva Convention defines people in a war zone.

It's been amended to include irregualar forces (partisans etc),,hence the term combatant/non-combatant.

the 6 (or 7) million concentration/labor camp deaths.

The usual number of 6 million dead in the camps only cover the Jews.
Totally 12-15 million died in those camps.

AFAIK these causalities aren't even counted

Correct,,as they are not related with the number of people killed in the camps.

Also the 20 million Soviet deaths due to the war are seldom mentioned.

That is because no one has been able to make a count until recently when the old archives were made available.
For instance,,the Red Army lost around 2,5 million men in the battle of Stalingrad,,not counting wounded but including those summarily executed by NKVD and front commanders.
400k-600k of the civilian population lost their lives as Stalin forbade leaving the city out of prestige.
Such horrific losses were kept from the public due to political reasons.

This is (according to my theory presented above) also why "Hitler" have a worse ring to it than "Stalin",,in spite of the Bömische Korpral being a schoolboy novice in comparison with the Butcher from Ukraine.
The full extent of the Nazi crimes were revealed during the Nürnberg trials,,while it took over 50 years to learn the truth of Stalin's.

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Where do you think the idea comes from?

Stormbringer, if you're going to identify with the grammar enforcers, you probably shouldn't apostrophize a plural, such as "Nazis"... Am I reading you correctly in the post above that one where it sounds like you're blaming the death of seven-plus million people to allied bombing and supply interdiction? So are you saying that the poor, hardworking SS boys were really just trying desperately hard to get those trains full of bread and nutritious veggies to the camps, but since the tracks were damaged they could only deliver cannisters of Zyklon-B as a humanitarian gesture?

Well since you gave me a two parter...
Aps for the apostrophe. Even Nazis can have a misguided moment or two.
As far as the war, or anything else for that matter, my bottom line is that if it had anything to do with Israel and what "she" wants, then it must be right. Therefore, until that illegal little piece of land is turned into a glass parking lot, any propaganda spurred on by our government and the other allies of the time will be met with great skepticism. Remember, we won, so we wrote the history books. And for you history buffs in here, surely you know what "Operation Paperclip" was.

US decided to celebrate their new fascist order by blowing up the World Trade Center.

Thank you very much. Another well informed, non-sheeple!