I'm just experimenting. I hate the word "blog" and am fascinated with how the net seems to nurture *everyone's* vanity.
And don't you think this n-word should be less common so we fear it rightly?
Published on December 17, 2006 By Philocthetes In Off-Topic
I don't have math for it, but I know that both my reading and posting on these forums have been on steady upward curves. One of the things that increased my interest in posting was the regular "grammar nazi" talk, and that's in no small part because I'm head of a single income household and I work as an editor and writer on the periphery of IT Land.

So, for any of you who have declared or discretely held "grammar nazi" sympathies, please hold forth on your notions of standards, community, and efficiency.

I'm particularly curious about a few folks who appear to have abandoned "consistent" responses to formal writing errors. If you've noticed that you no longer take every opportunity to correct a post on this forum, why is this so? Have you simply become exhausted by the overwhelming barrage of "bad" English available today, or have you started "picking your battles?" If the latter is at least half true, tell us about your choice criteria, please.
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on Dec 18, 2006
What do you do in the wintertime when the sun gets cold?


That's when all those who live in Minnesota come down here to Arizona.
on Dec 18, 2006
i would be too embarrassed and ashamed to be a grammer nazi. Because the english language frankly, is an insult to the concept of an 'alphabet'.

why have an alphabet in the first place if 'official' spelling dissregards it. You may as well forget about teaching children the alphabet in the first place, just tell them that these things are no more than symbols which can represent any old thing at all.

And please don't tell me it is because of all the foreign words incorporated into english... A true and proper translation of a foreign word should result in the correct vocalisation using our own alphabet, not their's!! The fact that this is not done, is pure laziness on the part of the dictionary heads who controll spelling.
on Dec 18, 2006
What do you do in the wintertime when the sun gets cold?

Actually the Earth is closer to the Sun in northern hemisphere winter than in northern hemisphere summer. This would imply to me that in the southern hemisphere, summers would tend to be warmer and winters would tend to be colder than in the northern hemisphere. I don't know if this is true or not, perhaps this effect is mitigated by the fact that there's more water in the southern hemisphere and hence more thermal mass. In any case, I can't imagine that anyone cares, certainly I don't.

By the way English (this should more accurately be called American) *is* the de facto language of the planet, at least until the Chinese have enough US Treasury Bonds to buy the planet. At the current US Sino trade deficit rates, that shouldn't be very long. It will be funny when Americans (myself included) are required to learn Chinese and are ridiculed for our poor spelling and grammar.
on Dec 18, 2006

Actually the Earth is closer to the Sun in northern hemisphere winter than in northern hemisphere summer. This would imply to me that in the southern hemisphere, summers would tend to be warmer and winters would tend to be colder than in the northern hemisphere. I don't know if this is true or not, perhaps this effect is mitigated by the fact that there's more water in the southern hemisphere and hence more thermal mass. In any case, I can't imagine that anyone cares, certainly I don't.


Seasons have more to do with the angle that sunlight strikes the planet than they have to do to with distance from the sun. We're already seven light minutes away, after all. A few thousand miles won't have much effect.

On the subject of Grammar Nazis - well, you have to strike a balance. Obviously somebody making really big mistakes like typing all in caps, ignoring punctuation completely, or, god forbid, using leetspeek deserve a right thrashing. But there's no reason to get overzealous over minor typos are infringements on pedantic grammar rules that nobody cares about anyways.
on Dec 18, 2006
Would you really find the word "nazi" so evil and frightning if they hadn't killed all those jewish people?


The about seven million others who died in the concentration camps (that includes detention-,,labour- and death camps btw) alone should take care of that part.
If not,,the systematic atrocities commited behind the frontlines might suffice as well.

However,,my theory is that the case of Nazi-Germany was the first to be laid open for the world to see,,much like the Vietnam war was the first to be shown in the public's living rooms.
The horrors in the colonization of the west USA as well as those done in the name of the people of USSR were somewhat known,,but no where near the complete awareness of what had been going on in the name of the Führer.


A true and proper translation of a foreign word should result in the correct vocalisation using our own alphabet, not their's!!


The problem is that we are not talking about translations at all.

For instance Husband,,brought by the Vikings meaning the head of a self owning farm.
(Org. "husbonde". Hus = House. Bonde = farmer.)
Before the Vikings took Brittain,,it was the Romans,,after them the French.

If you start looking at the roots,,there are (comperativly) very few words left that are "original" to the English language.

Now,,spelling them consistently with rules common to the alphabetic ones (shouldn't that be 'alfabet' in that case? would solve the argument whether it's spelled "cheque" or "check".

However,,the knights riding in the night would still be in an ankward position since people just cannot be bothered to prenounce the "k" nowadays

Hm... it might solve the puzzle of why "blood" and "hood" only rhymes in print though.

However, Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits might argue with you.


Since he still havn't recived any milk,,I doubt it.
Regardless,,Noone is a name,,not a word.
on Dec 18, 2006
If you start looking at the roots,,there are (comperativly) very few words left that are "original" to the English language.

Now,,spelling them consistently with rules common to the alphabetic ones (shouldn't that be 'alfabet' in that case? would solve the argument whether it's spelled "cheque" or "check".



I have noticed that American spelling does go some way to repairing the carnage and destruction done to the alphabet with so called 'english' spelling. An example is the word colour, or in America - color, much better and more efficient.

What a shame they didn't take it further... it wouldn't take all that much more effort to eliminate the need for children to learn spelling. All you would need to teach children is the alphabet and the job is done! But no, instead society insists on wasting childrens valuable learning time to fill their heads with useless corrections that work against the alphabet, how utterly stupid.
on Dec 18, 2006
Last man to liv turns off qe lajt!
on Dec 18, 2006
Seasons have more to do with the angle that sunlight strikes the planet than they have to do to with distance from the sun. We're already seven light minutes away, after all. A few thousand miles won't have much effect.

Certainly seasons have more to do with the angle of the sun than distance, however, the Earth to Sun distance is about 91.0 million miles at perihelion and 94.5 million miles at aphelion. This 3.5 million mile difference is a minor effect but not totally inconsequential, particularly since the energy output from the sun received by the Earth is inversely proportional to the cube of the distance. What is inconsequential is what this has to do with the topic. To quote the immortal Foghorn Leghorn, It's a joke son, a joke.

What was more germane to the topic was the point that the international language is far more "American" than "English" and that it will be easily usurped once someone else more powerful (i.e. the Chinese) comes along. When that happens the Grammar Nazi's will be far too busy learning how to eat with a pair of sticks to correct anyone's "English" or perhaps I should say Szechwan. Yes, I know that's a style of cooking and not a language (or perhaps it is). In this case I'm only partially joking.
on Dec 18, 2006
Isn't Mandarin both?

And even more.
A style of cooking.
A Chinese dialect.
A grade of public official.
A type of orange.

That word sure gets around.
on Dec 18, 2006
Um, well, I have to admit to being a very demanding reader and, um, this thread is, well, frakkin' rewardin'

I'm especially glad to see both awareness that the real Nazis targeted more than Jews for mass murder and an awareness that US English is the imperial language du jour. (Apologies if I sound like your civics teacher, but I was one)
on Dec 18, 2006
This 3.5 million mile difference is a minor effect but not totally inconsequential, particularly since the energy output from the sun received by the Earth is inversely proportional to the cube of the distance. What is inconsequential is what this has to do with the topic.


Mumble, should we digress to another thread? Your remarks here make me wonder if you could help lead a campaign to get Stardock to build a Spore-like game that did not assume you owned a video card with more processing power than the average mainframe data center in the '70s had.
on Dec 18, 2006
Mumble, should we digress to another thread?

The problem with explaining a joke is that it becomes instantly not funny. It also doesn't help that it wasn't particularly funny to begin with.

BTW. GW check out the Using 2 monitors thread. There was a grammatical question that came up that could use your expertise.   
on Dec 19, 2006
Grammar nazis, do you really believe the map is the territory?


Well, I am not a Grammar Nazi, or even much of an enforcer except within my own posts; that said, however, I have to point out that the map cannot be the territory. The map is only a scaled-down representation of the territory. If the map were the territory, it would have to be a relief map at 1:1 scale. Whether that's grammar or semantics I will leave others to judge.

Now that I've gotten that out of my system I do have a couple of things to add about the real topic under discussion.

I look at a forum as a very casual form of conversation. Your spoken, colloquial grammar is far more relaxed than your formal writing style. If it's not, then you are either a very sloppy writer or an incredible bore in social situations.

I tend to be relatively precise in writing because the Compiler is a harsh mistress and also because I spend part of my time editing other peoples' stuff. I know that's not true of everyone, though, and there are only a few situations where I even consider going into corrective mode.

The main thing that sets me off is misspelling of key terms that prevents other users from finding a post in a search result. If you spell "farm" as "fram" or "miniaturization" as "minturziration", nobody doing a search for those topics later will see those posts.

Otherwise, if a post is just so poorly put together that I can't figure out what the person is saying, I would request clarification. If you can understand what someone is trying to say, you're only sidetracking the entire discussion and diminishing its value by starting a grammar Inquisition.

The only other type of post that gets to me is when people misspell or use poor grammar when making a post about spelling or grammar mistakes in the game or in other users' posts. It just triggers my inner snarkiness and sometimes I just can't help it.
on Dec 19, 2006
BTW. GW check out the Using 2 monitors thread. There was a grammatical question that came up that could use your expertise.

Yes...

ahem

on Dec 19, 2006
Whether that's grammar or semantics I will leave others to judge.

Quixotic, I judge.

The only other type of post that gets to me is when people misspell or use poor grammar when making a post about spelling or grammar mistakes in the game or in other users' posts. It just triggers my inner snarkiness and sometimes I just can't help it.

As in hoisted by their own petard.
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