There are lots of places throughout the world that were very different in climate than they are now. This was mainly due to periodic crust shifts/pole shifts which happened roughly 120,000 years apart... I believe there were three or four such events that archaeologists/geographers have managed to 'discover'. Not to mention collisions with heavenly bodies that, as some have suggested, could have also shifted our planet's axis and equator. Then there's just the plain explanation of our planet's 'wobble'. All of these things have caused what you stated with regards to 'tropics in Utah' scenarios. A small degree of 'global warming' brought on by nature... yes, I can and do believe that but the drastic warming that we are experiencing now... that is all due to us, especially the speed in which it is occurring. Nature is good, but she isn't that good.

there have also been 10(i think) major iced ages plus a number of minor ice ages last one of which was in the 70's and we are still warming up from the last major ice age and the last minor ice age

on top of that this time around solar maximuse lasted for three years

and you haven't explained why the planets mars and pluto are warming up too





sorry about the misspells

I doubt that my 'explanation' would hold much worth, but from what I've read by astronomers and scientists who like to think 'outside of the box' they believe that our solar system is in constant synch with 'itself'. Events happening on other planets are somehow related to events that occur here and vice versa. To grasp these new and exciting concepts one has to pretty much forget anything they learned about our universe and start to look at it as a dynamic ELECTRIC universe. I am not that good at explaining it, but a few searches should yield some results.

or my explanition could be what is happening and it does kind of fit what your trying to say

if the solar radiation output is increased then it is increased for all of the planets not just the earth

ie all of the planets would be warming up to some degree

from what i have read and observed the effect that man is having is mostly a local effect

in the 1995 the environmentilest where screaming that it was the hottest year in the 20th century and it was if you only looked at two thirds of the infomation

if you took into account the other third

this is really what was going on in 1995 if you lived in a city it was one of the hottest years in the 20th century

however if you lived in the country it was one of the coldest years

reason the cities have lots of rocks ie cement and lots of heat producing products ie air conditioners

the reason everything was heating up from 95 to 2003 was becouse of the increase in solar radiation from the sun becouse of solar maximas and becouse of a second solar cycle that we were reaching the peak of also in the 70s that cycle was at a low point

the secound cycle has a 75 year cycle and there is a third cycle which is 100 years long and i have no idea where we are in that cycle

I heard some stupid sounding theories that we are suposed to be starting a new ice age! Kinda makes me wonder if the scientists that came up with that one are in touch with reality? So yea global warming from pollution would actually be saving us???



Deffinately incorrect. Cities reflect more sunlight back into space than the country, therefore produce less heat. The effect of a city being hotter, would be the result of heat being less capable of escaping due to buildings and smog.

rock absorbes heat

cement is man made rock

thus cement absorbes heat

air condentioners take heat out of buildings and pump it into the outside air ie increaseing outside temps however slightly


as for smog the largest smog is ozone so if the chemicals that we are pumping into the air at the surface is creating ozone then why would the same chemicals be destroying it in the atomisphere

the normal temp for this planet is about 5 degrees hotter than it is now

the temp hasn't been that how for about a million years or how ever long ago that the first ice age started

something else to consider when the ice ages are here the artic ocean is free of ice

By "normal," I assume you climate-talk folks mean "average." When you say "normal" you are ducking the real question, which is about your timeframe and the strength of your dataset.



This is anecdotal evidence of what I was trying to point out about how we've evolved to have risk-seeking and risk-averse folks who live together. I forgot the middle, impressionable crowd; very silly thing for a "social scientist" to do

Another thing i have noticed is how people tend to have a way of 'looking the part'. You know what i mean, the big forward man in the football team - big forehead extending out above the eyes. The guy fixing your computer - wouldn't be too hard for him to dress up as a girl and fool allot of people!

I dunno if i'm making my point very well, but it just seems like people have a physical appearance corresponding to their role in life?? of course their are exceptions no doubt about that, but still, it is a noticable thing.

not really true i am built like a half back but i would be the computer gueek

The most recent ice age, the Pleistocene Epoch, lasted from about 1.6 million years to 10,000 years before present. During that time at least 20 glaciations, or periods when the ice cover increased, occurred. Each of these periods was followed by an interglaciation, or a period when the ice cover shrank. The most recent glaciation in North America, called the Wisconsin glaciation, lasted from about 115,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago. The climate during that time was much different from what it is today, with temperatures on the continents as much as 15° C (27° F) colder. In areas that are currently occupied by subtropical deserts, cooler and wetter climates caused large lakes to form from increased rainfall and glacial runoff. The past 10,000 years have been part of a relatively warm interglacial period. However, the presence of massive continental ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica, along with numerous smaller glaciers in mountainous regions throughout the world, indicates that Earth is still in the grip of an ice age.


the link http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570002/Ice_Ages.html

I'll just quote myself in response;

IMO, Mystik's operative term is (emphasis added)


Anatomically speaking, our eyes are almost part of our brains--we have a generous supply of "hard wiring" between our visual pattern recognition systems and our behaviors. Specific regions of the brain appear to be dedicated almost entirely to facial recognition, and first impressions count for a lot whether your talking about target aquisition on the battlefield or a hiring decision in a corporation. So, alas, looks really do matter.

And often i get the impression my eyes are also my memory! In other words, if i see it, i remember it, if i don't see it, it is forgotten. Not always, but often enough! hehehe

you must have a photographic memory ha ha ha

Speaking of facial expressions... i was just thinking about the evil morphing dude in terminator 2.

That guy looks a bit nerdy, somone who would be the target of bulleys at school, or a target of somthing else in prison!! hehehe, anyway so his physical appearance is nerdy but somehow his facial expressions manage to make him look seriously deadly!

I mean, seriously, he would be the last person on earth you would want to meet in a dark alley - even if he was human, just because of that look!!

"say, thats a nice bike".

This is opposed to terminator 3 where the chick dousnt really seem to achieve that same level of a deadly look.